Magicians Talking Magic

Magicians Talking Magic Podcast is a weekly magician podcast featuring tips, tricks, business advice, interviews, performance tips & much more! Hosted by Ryan Joyce and Graeme Reed.
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Aug 23, 2019
Full-time magician Peter Mennie stops by talk Magic Live 2019 Magicians Convention. Plus we real-life magicians topics: confidence, anxiety and growing as performers. Listen or Watch.
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Magic Live 2019, Magic Conventions, Performance Advice, Learning New Magic, Stage Introductions, Confidence on stage, stage fright and how to deal with your nerves.

Table of Contents

00:00 | We had an OWOW Magic Festival Meeting and...
04:00 | Schrodinger's cookies & Choose You Adventure Magic Show
07:32 | Magic Live 2019 recount and review from Peter Mennie
10:35 | Storytelling and magic
12:00 | Magicians from all over the world need to see this person
14:10 | One person and a suitcase magic shows
15:00 | Highlights from the stage shows
16:00 | Who was the stand-out performer at Magic Live 2019?
18:45 | There was a zebra appearance, again?
19:45 | What did you learn at Magic Live 2019? Biggest Takaway
21:45 | After 45 years in magic-- here's why Peter attends Magic Live
23:10 | Being bitten by magic, dragging a Table of Death and Rick Thomas
24:00 | Graeme tries a new market for his magic shows
24:45 | The best thing about restaurant magic
25:30 | When do you stop learning new magic?
26:30 | Confidence on stage, where does it come from?
28:00 | Two factors that affect confidence and anxiety
30:00 | A tip for stage introductions
34:00 | Final thoughts struggle all magicians face



Aug 16, 2019

Cartamundi acquires USPCC and is DIY the new essential magician skill, opportunities for modern magicians and how to promote your events with social media

Magicians Talking Magic - Episode 05 | Touring Tricks Podcast
Hosts Ryan Joyce and Graeme Reed
01:06 | Bicycle Card purchased by Cartamundi
03:19 | How many decks in a career?
04:08 | Is DIY the next magician skill?
05:38 | Do most magicians make money with magic?
06:45 | Benefits and opportunities for modern magicians
08:09 | Greg Frewin and Magic with Tigers
11:10 | Embarrassing show footage
12:42 | How magicians work out new material
20:13 | How to promote your next magic shows
28:06 | Promoting national tours and stunts
In this episode: Bicycle Cards is getting acquired by Cartamundi, is your Costco bargain threatened? How many decks of cards has Jeff McBride used in his lifetime and is DIY Magician the wave of the future? Ryan and Graeme talk about modern benefits and opportunities for magicians and ask the question "Do most magicians make money with magic?"
Ryan and Graeme share stories about early embarrassing show footage and animals in their shows. Greg Frewin and Wild Magic in Niagara Falls, tiger stories and the challenges of working with animals.
Finally, how can magicians work out new material and an in-depth discussion about promoting your own shows and events. Local and national magician tours. Lots to talk about.

Topics Covered: Cartamundi, USPCC, Bicycle Playing cards purchased, DIY magician, Greg Frewin Magic Show & Tigers, Embarrassing show footage, magician workout rooms, magician new material, Promoting Shows & Promoting Events, Marketing & Show Business | *PG-13 Adult Language

Aug 9, 2019
Hosts Ryan Joyce and Graeme Reed | Watch or listen below:
Magicians Talking Magic - Episode 04 | Touring Tricks Podcast
Graeme shares his most magical experience, Carisa Hendrix and Lucy Darling lose their luggage, Ryan is going viral again hear his favourite nasty YouTube comments, will Death by Magic on Netflix get a second season, Shin Lim AGT Champion is in Vegas until September. A new thing? Introducing Magicians Watching Magic, and YouTube videos that haunt Graeme and Ryan. A discussion about openers, off-stage introductions and Ryan's Jeff McBride experience and a ten-hour drive to NYC.
Finally a discussion on business. Two workers perspective on magicians websites, essentials and recommendations.
Topics Covered: Lucy Darling magician, Death by magic netflix, Shin Lim Las Vegas Residency, Magician openers, Off-stage introductions, Magician website, Jeff McBride World's Greatest Magic | *PG-13 Adult Language
Do you have unanswered questions? Leave a comment below.
NOTE: We ran out of tape in the last few moments so I assembled a visual story that shares A Day in the Life of a Cruise Ship Magician & Hypnotist. (skip to 45 min)
Table of Contents
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00:00 | The lost art of mic checking... 1, 2, 3
02:19 | Practitioners of Prestidigitation
03:50 | Graeme most magic experience, ever
08:09 | Carisa Hendrix Lost Luggage
13:11 | Ryan shares nasty YouTube comments
18:32 | Viral Video: Illusionist walks thru steel
20:13 | A magic video I wish I could show
20:51 | Nasty comment wrap-up. A strange hypnosis complaint
21:37 | Death by Magic on Netflix
23:52 | Magicians Watching Magic
26:39 | Shin Lim Vegas
28:55 | YouTube videos that haunt magic career
29:54 | Magician Openers
35:15 | Introductions from off-stage
36:19 | Ten hours to see Jeff McBride
40:12 | Magicians Websites
Aug 2, 2019
Magic inventor Don Wayne passes, Graeme and Ryan's involvement with Paul Harris latest magic trick and a nuts-and-bolts discussion on magicians business cards.
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Magicians Talking Magic - Episode 03 | Touring Tricks Podcast
Hosts Ryan Joyce and Graeme Reed
In this episode: Justin Willman confirms Magic for Humans 2 on Netflix, sad news for magicians Don Wayne passes :( Ryan and Graeme talk about his legacy and illusions and illusion designers. Ryan shares a creative promotional photo on reddit and Graeme gives an exclusive look working with Paul Harris and release of Deep Clear.
In the world of show business, Ryan and Graeme talk magician business cards, why doesn't Ryan have a business card? How do you handle Facebook messaging running your magician business and what magic podcasts do you follow? A discussion about online magic communities and dealing with negative comments.
Finally, a discussion on show souvenirs and stealing ideas. There is a lot of magic to talk about.
Topics Covered: Magic for Humans 2, Don Wayne magic, illusion designer, Paul Harris Presents, Paul Harris Magic Deep Clear, Penguin Magic, Magician Business Card, Magician podcast, Magician community, magic show souvenir, magic ethics | *PG-13 Adult Language
Table of Contents
00:38 | Magic for Humans 2
03:03 | Don Wayne Passes
04:47 | The world of Illusion Designers. Who designs illusions?
08:36 | Reddit Discovery: Creative promotional photo
11:40 | Paul Harris Presents Deep Clear: Working with Paul Harris
17:16 | Magicians Business Cards
24:57 | How do you handle Facebook Messaging
26:16 | What non-magician influencers do you follow?
26:34 | Magician Podcasts
27:40 | Online magician communities
29:06 | Dealing with Negative Comments
34:06 | Starting in magic and stealing ideas
37:55 | Show Souvenirs
Jul 25, 2019

Two magician hosts talk about the latest magic news and discuss important topics for magicians and fans of the art.  In this episode, hosts Ryan Joyce and Graeme Reed talk about magician's soundtracks, complicated decisions modern performers have to make, magic injuries are back in the news and rumors on reddit about Dynamo, show failures, worst moments on stage and the essentials of promotional videos for magicians. Watch or listen now:

01:45 | Magician Soundtracks "Sum up magic from the nineties with this one song"
02:40 | Complicated choices for modern performers
03:40 | Graeme's pop culture question for a magic trick
05:45 | The other Will Smith
06:25 | Magician crossbow accident in South Africa (Newsweek)
07:04 | Danger in Magic
07:46 | Death Defying Escapes. Is it magic or endurance sports?
09:48 | Magic rumors - Dynamo as a BGT Judge?
12:15 | Reddit Magic Question "Card Magic on Stage"
16:04 | Settling into your own stage personality
16:50 | Failures! Stage tricks going south
23:18 | Worst show ever
26:20 | What is stage freight and why it impacts the first moments of your show
27:37 | Promotional videos for magicians
34:10 | Free video editing software :
35:36 | Should you have separate websites and material for different services?
37:00 | Curve ball question: Would you ever shake-up your career?
40:00 | Big takeaways for magicians promo videos
Jul 18, 2019
Two magicians talk magic news, performance advice, industry struggles and everything magical. A podcast for students and fans of the art of magic.
In this first episode of Magicians Talking Magic, full-time magicians Ryan Joyce and Graeme Reed talk about the recent tragedy of an Indian magician who was killed performing a dangerous magic stunt
*PG-13 | Language | Magic Enthusiasts. Career Magicians, Business Topics
Table of Contents
1:00 | What do you think of "Ta Da" the word
1:30 | Danger Magic (News) Indian magician killed doing a stunt
6:30 | What audiences want to see and the future of illusions
9:30 | Hans Klok gets a new show in Las Vegas
11:00 | America's Got Talent (Nick Wallace, Michael Paul)
12:51 | Michael Paul
13:00 | Wonder Town
14:30 | Magic Festival OWOW
17:20 | Nate Bergatze Netflix special
19:00 | First Magic Experiences (Worlds Greatest magic 2)
22:00 | /r/magic Reddit: Souvenirs in magic
25:00 | Do magicians need a logo
29:30 | What free digital tools do you use for your magicians website? (StatCounter, Google Analytics, Google Search Console)
32:00 | Magician personality --Do magicians have similar character traits
33:30 | Branding for Magicians
35:45 | Where to get inspiration designing your magicians logo
38:00 | What should you focus on if you are a beginner in magic
40:30 | Magician Business Card Essentials
43:00 |Magician's Digital ToolKit - Essentials of the magician business
47:30 | Difference between magicians logo and magician brand
Jan 23, 2018

Click here for the Magician's Masterclass Podcast Page and Show Notes.

Joan Caesar talks magic

A video profile and podcast with Joan Caesar, a retired teacher, magician and internationally recognized influencer in the world of magic.


[dropcap]Recently[/dropcap] I had soup and egg salad with Joan and George Caesar who live about 8 minutes from my house.

My mom refers to Joan Caesar as my 'second mom' because we've known her since my early teens.  I went to Tannen's Magic Camp because of Joan.  She is internationally recognized in magic and she is the person responsible for getting Canada recognized on the international stage at FISM (the Olympics of magic.) She is an International Brotherhood of Magician's Past President (2008-2009) and Founder and President of the Canadian Association of Magicians.  She has also judged every major convention including FISM and performs for corporate and social events.

Joan knows good magic.

In the podcast we talk about :

  • Why Joan founded the Canadian Association of Magicians (CAM)
  • Which world-famous magician was Joan's motivation to put Canada on the international stage for FISM (the Olympic's of Magic)
  • We talk about her life as a magician.
  • We talk about women in magic and why it's hard to be a woman in magic.
  • As a judge for the largest magic conventions in the world, Joan shares her perspective on what makes a great magic act.
Dec 16, 2017

This was a magic jam night with food, wine and magic discussion.  It’s exactly what my soul needed.

We talk about:

Video and Content Creation for magicians.

Electronic Press Kits: Ryan gives some great insight into the infamous EPK

Matt Disero shares his $5000 dollar website mistake.

Logos, promotional material, headshots and promotional videos.

The best advice Matt’s ever gotten from a mentor and his biggest pet peeve watching magicians.

We also talk about an in important issue: Misogyny in magic and why Matt almost didn’t get paid for a show.

But there is no better place to start our journey than here, Matt is about to tell the most disastrous story in show business.


Enjoy the podcast.

Dec 4, 2017

We haven't talked about this publically at all, and a lot happened quickly.  This podcast sheds some light on Magician's Masterclass.


Sep 3, 2016

Matt Disero and a Gender Neutral Potato Head

To think my impressionable years-- the years right out of high school where life looks you in the eyes and says something to the effect of "I'm gonna count to ten so you can get off my property before I shoot" those years that followed are pretty crazy times, looking back at it.

New freedoms. New responsibilities.  Along the way you discover the resting version of your self -- through all of the chaos.  You assembly random pieces together of your interests and social skills combined with your hobbies and passions and hopes and dreams and all those pieces come together in this Mr. or Mrs Potato head creation and underneath are the colourful plastic letters "Y-O-U"

There tends to be a lot of carnage during this time of self discovery.  Using our Potato analogy some people are always looking for pieces, or hating the ones they have, or wanting someone elses or wishing theirs was bigger, maybe both bigger I dunno.  No my monkey. 

But in all this chaos of learning and failing it's possible you lose a nose or an ear-- metaphorically speaking again, unless you're a terrible juggler. 

All of this stuff happened to everyone there's university or college or becoming a parent or backpacking through Europe and for some people all this discover happens in front of 500 to 3000 daily-- for weeks, for years.  It turns some people weird, man.

Good weird and bad weird.

I bring this up for two reasons.  First, all beginners look at their idol Potato Heads (I can image Russett Peters or magicians GoldFingerlings and Dove) they look at all these amazing artists and duplicate without realizing that not all pieces fits. But they try and they jam, and wedge.  It's part of growth.

It is also the wrong way of thinking about it.  But maybe time only teaches that.  It's possible.  Maybe just a good metaphor will do.

Take out the duplicate ears and put back the mustache, change the eyes and remove the sunglasses.  Nobody likes a dick wearing sunglasses. Once you can stand and be you-- you gotta then spin around and toss the extra stuff in your butt.

Alright-- this Mr Potato head metaphor has it's limits but for someone listening who may work in front of an audience or want to-- this may be the most important message you hear--  that's the second reason I bring all this up.  I had a great chat with the gentlemen I'm about to introduce you too and we had a fascinating discussion about art.  I've been mulling over it ever since and I think this is a pretty reasonable way to explain it.  The artist equation is:

Truest You + Originality + Hard work = Artist.

I'm open to discussion about it-- but that seems pretty logical to me and it's express in percentages.  The truer you are to yourself combined with hard work and originality is the amount of artist. 

How do you stack up? How's your self measurement look?

That's what I'm learning anyway-- and I can talk about it because I'm on that journey again.  I had taken a step away from magic for a while, at least emotionally-- its my only job and it pays my bills.  I love always love performing, man I love that part of it-- it's the magic part for me that I'm struggling with.  Magic is unusual, arguably weird, difficult and technical and comes with  a lot of stupid jokes from people thinking they are funny. 

That's one of the hardest things.

How do you damage to that?  It's precious.  How do you say to someone, the essence of "I commend your effort-- but these withered magicians bones have been impaled by the spears of so many terrible magic jokes.  It's painful and I grown weak and it's just down right not funny. "

A comedian buddy of mine gave me these two possible responses from now on, apparently I should respond with either "Thanks for your attempt at magic humor-- please die" or the ever trusted  "Go fuck yourself"

But I'm much too nice for that kind of silliness so I'm thinking about starting a private Joke Support Group on Facebook.  Probably named with a clever acronym.

But when come to the important stuff current version of yourself that's line it up with your material and committed crossing the minefield of magic jokes-- it becomes the truest version of you for  your audience.  You are the brightest version of yourself--  And we don't know how to measure that, we don't know how to describe that in units-- hell I just used a potato to try, but its measurable because you can FEEL it.  An audience is given that from a performer. That's the gift, the price of admission.

I grew up at the end of the golden age of touring and so did the gentlemen I'm talking with today-- his name is Matt Disero and this is Touring Tricks.


Aug 23, 2016

Comedian Brad Upton

A magician and a comedian do a podcast– on a cruise ship.  I don’t have a punchline but we’re probably both bloated.  Enjoy.

Being an entertainer who works cruise shops a lot you meet interesting people.  Or at least your chances are higher.  Working on ships is very competitive right now and the quality of the acts is showing that.  Cruise lines are actively trying to becoming more hip.  The chances of meeting interesting people who are a little more unique, fun or down right weird — it’s just greatly intensified at sea.

The way I see it there are the following 4 stages of the shiplife:

  1. The Occasionals or the Newbs (newbs is the short form for newbies– which used to be a short form for something) opportunity feels great to this group– It’s exciting times.
  2. Fulltimers — they work ships full time. Most of their years income gets served with a plated breakfast and and a bathrobe.  Unless your work Carnival.  Apparently, I dunno that’s what I’ve been told. After the full timers we get
  3. Kickassers– this is the acts or groups that have a little extra sparkle, or in some cases extra pat on the back from the cruise line bookers, aka agents.
  4. Legends — the acts who have trampled over the ocassionalists and the newbs to earn the wisdom of fulltimers and keep their kickassers nametag– these are the full time ass kicking legends.

I said I’m in walking in Fulltimer Ass Kisser territory or at least I’m stepping in patches of it and Brad is walking with legends.

Brad gives several nuggets and wisdom for performers through stories about his career– and we both discuss some of the oddities of ship life.

You’ll hear:

  • Get To the Funny Part– how he writes the funniest possible joke.
  • An entertainers   career at really difficult times of life
  • The complexities of adding new material.
  • What comes first? The better you get the better your own standards get.
  • Confidence the real secret to being a good performer? When confidence is most important.
  • Wanna be a comedian– A logical action to take for an ideal first step

If you are listening for the first time Touring Tricks is also the name of my weekly webseries which you should check out– or

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Aug 16, 2016

How to write gooder.

Writing comedy for magicians & artists.

If you want to improve the quality of your show, then you must spend time scripting and writing. There is no avoiding it.  But how?  Every professional performer has honed their writing skills and if you want to take your show to the next level this podcast is for you.  Ryan Joyce talks with comedian, writer and performer Michael Paul about comedy writing and how to get started.


My guest on the podcast is Michael Paul Ziegfeld who has written for comedians including David Lettermen, Bill Maher, Chelsey Handler and Ellen DeGeneres.  He has television credits on The Tonight Show, Saturday Night Live and has lent his voice to Pixar and Jim Henson Productions.  He has acted alongside Katherine Heigl in the movie 27 Dresses and coached Kevin Spacey in the movie The Ventriloquist.  The heart and soul of his work is his own performances that have taken him around the globe, headlining theatre tours, comedy clubs, cruise ships and opening for names like Lisa Lampanelli, James Brown and Joan Rivers. 

If you have been thinking about writing new material for your show or improving existing scripts—this podcast is for you

In this podcast we discuss the following:

  • How the most successful performers write material
  • How to write material for yourself, by yourself.
  • The 3 questions you must ask yourself when writing comedy.
  • Who you should avoid when collaborating with others.
  • What every performer fears and how to avoid making these mistakes
  • Where to get inspiration for your writing material
  • Why we mimic other performers and how to avoid becoming a “hack”
  • What to do after every show to accelerate your growth as a performer
  • And more…

Plus Ryan shares 8 ideas for a better writing mindset and how to optimize the time you spend creating scripts and content.

This Touring Tricks Podcast is jam packed with valuable information from working professionals with the goal of trying to help out other performers.  Don’t miss this episode.


Aug 3, 2016

Penn & Teller's Fool Us is now on Season 3!! It is the best showcase for magicians on television.  I appeared on Season 3 episode 2  (watch here but this podcast is all about the behind the scenes insight information-- good, bad and ugly

  • Why we had to tape our segment three times?
  • If that wasn't my illusion, whose was it?
  • What Penn said about my Tshirt that didn't make it to air
  • Why I threw out Teller's signature
  • Why a hamster shocked the control room

Plus three things I learned from the entire Las Vegas experience

  1. What I learned from Teller's handshake
  2. What to swipe across your eyes if you wear stage makeup
  3. What detail came from magic legend Johnny Thompson

I'm joined with Peter Mennie who flew down to Las Vegas to be part of the taping-- with a degree in Television Production, Peter gives a unique perspective of magic and television.

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